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John Lewis Umialiloa King

Male 1886 - 1925  (38 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  John Lewis Umialiloa King was born on 4 Oct 1886 in Kohala, Hawaii; died on 15 May 1925 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Nuuanu Memorial Park.

    John married Annie Kaomealani Bell on 10 Aug 1910 in Waimea, Hawaii County, Hawaii. Annie (daughter of George Alexander Bell and Annie Kaomeaulaokanani Kaleimamahu) was born on 21 Dec 1890 in Waimea, Hawaii County, Hawaii; died on 27 Sep 1939 in Hawaii. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 2. Rachel Kananimaeole King  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 19 Aug 1911 in Waimea, Hawaii County, Hawaii; died on 4 Jun 1988 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.
    2. 3. Wilhelmina Kaupaokekau King  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 27 Nov 1912 in Hawaii; died on 4 Aug 2004.
    3. 4. Gertrude Mona King  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 16 Jun 1914 in Waimea, Hawaii County, Hawaii; died on 15 Aug 2004 in Corning, California; was buried in Orland, CA, Graves Cemetery.
    4. 5. William King  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1915 in Hawaii; died on 29 Jun 1996 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Kaneohe, Oahu, Hawaii, Hawaii Memorial Park.
    5. 6. Charles Lake King  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1916 and 1917 in Hawaii; died on 7 Jun 1976 in Honolulu, Hawaii.
    6. 7. George King  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1919 in Hawaii; died on 1 Dec 1956 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.
    7. 8. John Lewis King, Jr.  Descendancy chart to this point


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Rachel Kananimaeole King Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1) was born on 19 Aug 1911 in Waimea, Hawaii County, Hawaii; died on 4 Jun 1988 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.

    Rachel married Edward Daniel Quinn, Jr. on 2 Apr 1929 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Edward was born on 23 Oct 1909 in Kohala, Hawaii; died on 6 Jul 1964 in Wake Island; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Diamond Head Memorial Park. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 9. King Daniel Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 19 Apr 1929 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 8 Jan 2000 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Diamond Head Memorial Park.

    Rachel married Douglas Ah Wing Jar Kai on 24 May 1930 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Douglas (son of Jar Kai and Ah Hu Look) was born on 16 Aug 1906 in Waiohinu, Hawaii County, Hawaii; died on 12 Oct 1957 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 10. Douglas Leiohuokahomehooululahui Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 11. Annabelle Kaomealani Kai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 27 Nov 1931 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 28 Feb 2023 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Oahu Cemetery.
    3. 12. John Lewis Cummings Kai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 16 Apr 1933 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 5 Aug 2020 in Florida.
    4. 13. Mollie Lilinoe Luukia Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 14. Gordon Umialiloalahanauokalakaua King Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 15. Luana Lahela Kai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 28 Aug 1952 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 31 Dec 2021 in Lucerne, Switzerland; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Hawaiian Memorial Park.

  2. 3.  Wilhelmina Kaupaokekau King Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1) was born on 27 Nov 1912 in Hawaii; died on 4 Aug 2004.

    Wilhelmina married Roman Namaokahai Chai in 1935 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Roman was born between 1914 and 1915 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 24 Apr 1975 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Pearl City, Oahu, HI, Sunset Memorial Park. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 16. Roman Nalepa Chai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 12 Mar 1935 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 12 Apr 1935 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Diamond Head Memorial Park.
    2. 17. Vannatti Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 18. Joseph J. K. Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 19. Humphrey G. K. Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 20. Sharron Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 21. Jacqueline Kameeualani Chai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 12 Mar 1937 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 24 Jun 2004 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Nanakuli, Oahu, Hawaii, Nanakuli Homestead Cemetery.
    7. 22. Roman Kalai Chai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 16 Nov 1941 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 25 Feb 2022 in Nanakuli, Oahu, Hawaii.

  3. 4.  Gertrude Mona King Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1) was born on 16 Jun 1914 in Waimea, Hawaii County, Hawaii; died on 15 Aug 2004 in Corning, California; was buried in Orland, CA, Graves Cemetery.

    Gertrude married Manuel C. Sardinha on 12 Aug 1942. Manuel was born on 29 Sep 1913; died on 1 Apr 1951; was buried in Orland, CA, Graves Cemetery. [Group Sheet]


  4. 5.  William King Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1) was born in 1915 in Hawaii; died on 29 Jun 1996 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Kaneohe, Oahu, Hawaii, Hawaii Memorial Park.

    William married Unknown. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 23. William Cummings King  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 24. John G. King  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 25. Rudolph G. King  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 26. Wilmarie King  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 27. Penelope King  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 28. Wanda King  Descendancy chart to this point

  5. 6.  Charles Lake King Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1) was born between 1916 and 1917 in Hawaii; died on 7 Jun 1976 in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  6. 7.  George King Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1) was born in 1919 in Hawaii; died on 1 Dec 1956 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.

    George married Rita Margaret Unknown. Rita and died. [Group Sheet]


  7. 8.  John Lewis King, Jr. Descendancy chart to this point (1.John1)


Generation: 3

  1. 9.  King Daniel Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1) was born on 19 Apr 1929 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 8 Jan 2000 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Diamond Head Memorial Park.

    King married Viola Kuulei Pavao. Viola was born between 1930 and 1931 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 6 Aug 2013 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Diamond Head Memorial Park. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 29. John Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 30. William Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 31. Theresa Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 32. Ida Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 33. Moana Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 34. Maryanne Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    7. 35. Viki Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point
    8. 36. Robert D. Quinn  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 18 Apr 1964 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 28 Nov 1998 in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  2. 10.  Douglas Leiohuokahomehooululahui Kai Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Douglas married Patsy Moana K. Souza (daughter of Joaquin Enos Souza, Jr. and Hannah Eliza Hitchcock) [Group Sheet]

    Douglas married Linda Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  3. 11.  Annabelle Kaomealani Kai Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1) was born on 27 Nov 1931 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 28 Feb 2023 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Oahu Cemetery.

    Annabelle married John Yen Sung Ching on 13 Jun 1953 in Honolulu, Hawaii. John (son of Henry Yau Ching and Annie Louise Murray) was born on 10 Jul 1931 in Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii; died on 1 Apr 2008 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Oahu Cemetery. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 37. John Yen Sung Ching, Jr.  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 38. Jere Ilima Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 39. Jayson Jay Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 40. Julie Lahela Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 41. Luana Mahealani Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 42. Teine Kananimaeole Ching  Descendancy chart to this point

  4. 12.  John Lewis Cummings Kai Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1) was born on 16 Apr 1933 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 5 Aug 2020 in Florida.

    John married Anna Katarina Kessler in 1957 in Germany. Anna (daughter of Unknown Kessler and Unknown) was born in in Germany; died in 2012. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 43. John Wilfred Kai  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 26 Oct 1957 in Christian County, Kentucky; died on 30 Oct 2017 in Texas.
    2. 44. Janet Rachel Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 45. Ronald D. Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 46. Mark Lewis Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 47. Kelvin Kent Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 48. Mechel Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    7. 49. Christina Kai  Descendancy chart to this point

  5. 13.  Mollie Lilinoe Luukia Kai Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Mollie married John Thomas Sheridan (son of Philip Sheridan and Mary Unknown) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 50. Julie Sheridan  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 51. John Thomas Sheridan, II  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 52. Dawn Sheridan  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 53. Douglas Sheridan  Descendancy chart to this point

  6. 14.  Gordon Umialiloalahanauokalakaua King Kai Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Gordon married Janice Leinaala Noweo Lua. (daughter of Makahiwa Neeulani Kealakuhilima Lua, Jr. and Agnes Malia Kanahele) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 54. Kahauanu Lake I. Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 55. Douglas A. W. U. Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 56. Gordon King Kauweokealii Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 57. Noweo L. K. Kai  Descendancy chart to this point

  7. 15.  Luana Lahela Kai Descendancy chart to this point (2.Rachel2, 1.John1) was born on 28 Aug 1952 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 31 Dec 2021 in Lucerne, Switzerland; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Hawaiian Memorial Park.

    Luana married . Unknown [Group Sheet]


  8. 16.  Roman Nalepa Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1) was born on 12 Mar 1935 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 12 Apr 1935 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Honolulu, Hawaii, Diamond Head Memorial Park.

  9. 17.  Vannatti Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

    Vannatti married Lee Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  10. 18.  Joseph J. K. Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  11. 19.  Humphrey G. K. Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

    Humphrey married Pearl Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  12. 20.  Sharron Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

    Sharron married Larry Dickerson. [Group Sheet]


  13. 21.  Jacqueline Kameeualani Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1) was born on 12 Mar 1937 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 24 Jun 2004 in Honolulu, Hawaii; was buried in Nanakuli, Oahu, Hawaii, Nanakuli Homestead Cemetery.

    Jacqueline married Steven Pilialoha. Steven was born on 7 Feb 1935 in Hawaii; died on 22 Dec 1991 in Waianae, Oahu, Hawaii; was buried in Nanakuli, Oahu, Hawaii, Nanakuli Homestead Cemetery. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 58. Stephanie Pilialoha  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 59. Renee Ilima Pilialoha  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 60. Steven Pilialoha, Jr.  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 61. Clive Pilialoha  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 62. Milton Pilialoha  Descendancy chart to this point

  14. 22.  Roman Kalai Chai Descendancy chart to this point (3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1) was born on 16 Nov 1941 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 25 Feb 2022 in Nanakuli, Oahu, Hawaii.

    Roman married Ginger Unknown. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 63. Clinton Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 64. Joseph Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 65. Robert Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 66. Ernest Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 67. Tammy Chai  Descendancy chart to this point
    6. 68. Joy Chai  Descendancy chart to this point

  15. 23.  William Cummings King Descendancy chart to this point (5.William2, 1.John1)

  16. 24.  John G. King Descendancy chart to this point (5.William2, 1.John1)

  17. 25.  Rudolph G. King Descendancy chart to this point (5.William2, 1.John1)

  18. 26.  Wilmarie King Descendancy chart to this point (5.William2, 1.John1)

    Wilmarie married Unknown Sylva. [Group Sheet]


  19. 27.  Penelope King Descendancy chart to this point (5.William2, 1.John1)

    Penelope married Unknown Gabriel. [Group Sheet]


  20. 28.  Wanda King Descendancy chart to this point (5.William2, 1.John1)

    Wanda married Unknown Gomes. [Group Sheet]



Generation: 4

  1. 29.  John Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  2. 30.  William Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  3. 31.  Theresa Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Theresa married Unknown Koki. [Group Sheet]


  4. 32.  Ida Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  5. 33.  Moana Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  6. 34.  Maryanne Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Maryanne married Unknown DeSilva. [Group Sheet]


  7. 35.  Viki Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Viki married Unknown Ventura. [Group Sheet]


  8. 36.  Robert D. Quinn Descendancy chart to this point (9.King3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1) was born on 18 Apr 1964 in Honolulu, Hawaii; died on 28 Nov 1998 in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  9. 37.  John Yen Sung Ching, Jr. Descendancy chart to this point (11.Annabelle3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    John married Sally-Ann Piilani Farrales. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 69. Jennifer Kaomealani Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 70. Jonathan Farrales Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 71. Cassie-Ann Hannah Ching  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 72. Gabriel-John Felix Ching  Descendancy chart to this point

  10. 38.  Jere Ilima Ching Descendancy chart to this point (11.Annabelle3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Jere married Marney Chang Zuttermeister. (son of Carl H. Zuttermeister, Jr. and Delta Chang) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 73. Marney Keylen Kealakai Zuttermeister  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 74. Emalia Lehela Pualahaolemaikalanihaonekapuluwai Zuttermeister  Descendancy chart to this point

  11. 39.  Jayson Jay Ching Descendancy chart to this point (11.Annabelle3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  12. 40.  Julie Lahela Ching Descendancy chart to this point (11.Annabelle3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Julie married Scott Shin Aliiloa Suenaga, Jr.. (son of Scott Shin Aliiloa Suenaga and Unknown) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 75. Scott Shin Aliiloa Suenaga, III  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 76. Kananimaeole Pumehana Suenaga  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 77. Malie Anolani Suenaga  Descendancy chart to this point

  13. 41.  Luana Mahealani Ching Descendancy chart to this point (11.Annabelle3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Luana married Unknown White. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 78. Kaomealani Hoku White  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 79. Anela Noekealaokailima White  Descendancy chart to this point

    Luana married Edward Walter Kuanea Kelley, Jr.. (son of Edward Walter Kuanea Kelley and Audrey Eunsoon Pang) [Group Sheet]


  14. 42.  Teine Kananimaeole Ching Descendancy chart to this point (11.Annabelle3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Teine married Edward William Belcher. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 80. Christopher Kaliloalani Belcher  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 81. Joshua Kealiihoomalu Belcher  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 82. Michael Makanaokeakua Belcher  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 83. Jonathan Isaac Kameahu Belcher  Descendancy chart to this point

  15. 43.  John Wilfred Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1) was born on 26 Oct 1957 in Christian County, Kentucky; died on 30 Oct 2017 in Texas.

    John married Margaret Jean Rhodea. Margaret (daughter of Ernest August Rhodea and Wilma Fay Bowers) was born on 26 Feb 1952 in Manistee, Michigan; died on 15 Nov 1999 in Manistee, Michigan. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 84. Rachel Sarah Augustine Kai  Descendancy chart to this point

  16. 44.  Janet Rachel Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Janet married William R. Gleisberg. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 85. Aiden Gleisberg  Descendancy chart to this point

  17. 45.  Ronald D. Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  18. 46.  Mark Lewis Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  19. 47.  Kelvin Kent Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Kelvin married Anne Renee Rohr [Group Sheet]


  20. 48.  Mechel Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Mechel married Harold A. Christy. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 86. Julia Nicole Christy  Descendancy chart to this point

  21. 49.  Christina Kai Descendancy chart to this point (12.John3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Christina married Jay allen Blakely. [Group Sheet]


  22. 50.  Julie Sheridan Descendancy chart to this point (13.Mollie3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Julie married Anthony Gamiotea. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 87. Anthony Gamiotea  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 88. Jessica Gamiotea  Descendancy chart to this point

  23. 51.  John Thomas Sheridan, II Descendancy chart to this point (13.Mollie3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    John married Karla Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  24. 52.  Dawn Sheridan Descendancy chart to this point (13.Mollie3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Dawn married Bart Syatauw. [Group Sheet]


  25. 53.  Douglas Sheridan Descendancy chart to this point (13.Mollie3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Douglas married Karla Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  26. 54.  Kahauanu Lake I. Kai Descendancy chart to this point (14.Gordon3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Kahauanu married Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  27. 55.  Douglas A. W. U. Kai Descendancy chart to this point (14.Gordon3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  28. 56.  Gordon King Kauweokealii Kai Descendancy chart to this point (14.Gordon3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

    Gordon married Unknown. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 89. Female #1 Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 90. Female #2 Kai  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 91. Female #3 Kai  Descendancy chart to this point

  29. 57.  Noweo L. K. Kai Descendancy chart to this point (14.Gordon3, 2.Rachel2, 1.John1)

  30. 58.  Stephanie Pilialoha Descendancy chart to this point (21.Jacqueline3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

    Stephanie married Abraham Mahelona. [Group Sheet]


  31. 59.  Renee Ilima Pilialoha Descendancy chart to this point (21.Jacqueline3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  32. 60.  Steven Pilialoha, Jr. Descendancy chart to this point (21.Jacqueline3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

    Steven married Gillette Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  33. 61.  Clive Pilialoha Descendancy chart to this point (21.Jacqueline3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  34. 62.  Milton Pilialoha Descendancy chart to this point (21.Jacqueline3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

    Milton married Willy-Ann Unknown. [Group Sheet]


  35. 63.  Clinton Chai Descendancy chart to this point (22.Roman3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  36. 64.  Joseph Chai Descendancy chart to this point (22.Roman3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  37. 65.  Robert Chai Descendancy chart to this point (22.Roman3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  38. 66.  Ernest Chai Descendancy chart to this point (22.Roman3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  39. 67.  Tammy Chai Descendancy chart to this point (22.Roman3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)

  40. 68.  Joy Chai Descendancy chart to this point (22.Roman3, 3.Wilhelmina2, 1.John1)